RCNC Recovery Podcast J3 (13): Fred Martin – “From a Chrysler to Cadillac, Fred Martin’s recovery initiation in 1979 to his actualization in 2016.”

September 26, 2017

Chris Budnick, Executive Director of the Healing Transitions of Raleigh, interviews Fred Martin while driving in Fred’s Caddy. Fred is the Project Coordinator for the Philadelphia’s Recovery Community Center - Recovery Training Center.

PRO-ACT puts a face and voice on community recovery which brings a transitional message about recovery. Fred found his home at PRO-ACT as a place that is more than just a meeting and more of a movement and community of mobilized citizens within the recovery community.

Fred started at PRO-ACT as a volunteer in the public policy community helping people get registered for the program and engage in other activities such as helping participants vote.

Chris and Fred discuss the Philly recovery walk with 25,000 plus people. Fred gets emotional thinking about the amount of people engaging in the recovery walk. He talks about the number of families and allies that has joined the walk is staggering over the years. He says that the transition of the walk is an awesome experience. They also talk about how recovery isn’t just possible but it becomes a reality with the help and support of the community. Chris and Fred talk about the great things happening in recovery in Philly, where to get a good cheese stake, stand out statues in the area and dig deeper into the details of the happenings at the 2016 recovery walk.


RCNC Recovery Podcast J3 (12): Beverly J. Haberle - “Jail, institutionalizations, lobotomy, oh my. Or not! A pathway of hope is revealed.”

September 26, 2017

Chris Budnick, Executive Director of the Healing Transitions of Raleigh, interviews Bev Haberle at the Philadelphia Recovery Community Center. Bev is the Executive Director of the The Council of Southeast Pennsylvania Inc. For the past 12 years, Ms. Haberle has been the Project Director for the Pennsylvania Recovery Organization/Achieving Community Together (PRO-ACT), a grass roots organization mobilizing the recovering community family members and other interested advocates.

Betty tells her story of recovery initiation in the 1970’s where a pathway to recovery was still a frontal lobotomy for people with a Substance Use Disorder. She tells how through the help of her community and with the support of her parents she able to engage with a mutual aid group to help her become well; instead of the drastic option a year-long psychiatric hospital with a one year waiting list or a very expedient lobotomy. Luckily, Bev was connected with a community based/mutual aid group that allowed her to find her life-long pathway of recovery. Chris and Bev further discuss her life mission to help people find their own personal pathway of recovery with options and compassion.

Bev further talks about PRO-ACT and their role in helping with advocacy work with Southeast Pennsylvania. She talked about how PRO-ACT helped to legitimize people with lived experience as mentors and advocates for people suffering with an SUD. Bev reveals her super power to Chris Budnick; assertive continuum of care that recognizes that recovery support services are a vital part of the recovery process.


RCNC Recovery Podcast J3(11): Dan Griffin, “Advocacy gave me a place to heal and breathe.”

August 6, 2017

Chris interviews Dan Griffin. You will remember him from The Anonymous People, speaking on issues of anonymity confusion versus shame. He is currently the principle at Griffin Recovery Enterprises, “an international training, consulting, and speaking organization dedicated to transforming the conversation about what it means to be a man in the 21st century. …changing how our world sees men and masculinity to help us see the limitless possibilities of who a man can be…”

Chris and Dan met up at the Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles during the 2017 Evolution of Addiction Treatment Conference. Dan talks about being a young advocate at the 2001 summit in St. Paul, how men like Jeff Blodgett, William Moyers, and Bill White inspired him to become an advocate. Dan speaks of his father’s senseless death resulting from alcohol use disorder – how the system failed to address a treatable illness. Dan says, “My grief was anger and advocacy gave me a place to heal and to breathe and to put that anger toward good.” He says it’s our responsibility to take raw, new, rough around the edges advocates under our wings to help them as many have helped us.

Dan would love to see recovery advocacy take on trauma. He is a board member with White Bison, and he mentions the Don Coyhis metaphor about returning the transplanted and recovered tree to its original unhealthy soil, an indictment of the acute care model of addiction treatment. Dan says, “Trauma is driving so much of our society’s inability to deal with this issue. Trauma is one of the biggest toxins in our soil.” As we “treat the soil” in our communities of recovery, would it not make sense to be mindful of the prevalence of trauma?

Finally, as we end all J3 episodes, Chris asks Dan what his superpower would be if he could have one. To which Dan replies, “The ability to give anybody in any moment instant empathy.”



April 3, 2017

Chris interviews Jason Schwartz, Clinical Director at Dawn Farm. Chris and his research partner, Boyd Pickard, were visiting Jason in Dearborn, MI to present The History of Narcotics Anonymous at Dawn Farm’s Community Education Series back in March 2016. Dawn Farm is a 501c(3) nonprofit addiction treatment center with an emphasis on the recovering community as the most important source of healing and recovery support for their clients. Dawn Farm is a real animal farm, established in 1977, and they offer a continuum of addiction treatment and recovery support services, including: Residential Treatment, Detoxification, Outpatient Services, and Transitional Housing.

Jason outlines the transformative process Dawn Farm underwent in response to an honest, slightly painful, and potentially shameful critique from their larger community.  This trajectory changing town hall meeting consisted of referral resources, former clients, local government, the recovery community and area universities.  Fortunately, Jason and his staff also had recovery researcher Bill White in attendance. Despite the understandable blow felt by Jason and his colleagues, Bill saw these discoveries as a unique opportunity to develop and grow as an organization. Later, this process of conducting a fearless and searching organizational inventory followed by a willingness to change became coined “Clinical Humility” in a groundbreaking Bill White blog, featuring a public amends by Chris Budnick.



January 30, 2017

Chris interviews Tom Hill, then Senior Advisor for Addiction and Recovery at the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). Tom was in Raleigh to speak at our 5th Annual Capital Area Rally for Recovery in September of 2016. Check out the amazing positive media coverage from that event. Chris and Tom originally met at a recovery messaging training organized by the National Alliance of Recovery Residences in May 2012. This fortunate connection led to our inaugural Rally that year and our subsequent membership in The Association of Recovery Community Organizations (ARCO). Tom discusses the epic history of The New National Recovery Movement and the impact of recovery community pioneers like Phil Valentine, Bev Haberle, Don Coyhis, Betty Currier, Dona Dmitrovic, Joe Powell, Andre Johnson, and others.

Tom recalls his introduction to advocacy in the early 90’s. Initiating recovery during this time led to the freedom for Tom to come out about his sexuality. He describes feeling a “relief and liberty” from no longer feeling compelled to hide or pretend. Tom then gained a critical insight about his addiction recovery. He was getting better and he was no longer part of the problem and people were noticing the changes in him. Recovery was giving him a new life, so Tom said, “Why would I hide this?” After graduating from social work school, Tom became involved in HIV activism in Greenwich Village and Queens, NY, and it was then he learned that “we can do so much more together than we can ourselves to change society.” Speaking of the appreciable progress the advocacy movement has made, Tom says, “We have our foot in the door, and I think we have to be really vigilant about pushing that door farther and farther open.”


RCNC RECOVERY PODCAST J3(8): NEIL CAMPBELL, “What’s right with you?”

December 29, 2016

Chris interviews Neil Campbell from The Georgia Council on Substance Abuse. Chris was in Philadelphia presenting on creative funding approaches for recovery supports. We ran into Neil and took advantage of this opportunity to get her on the record... after having "one with with." Neil is a national recovery movement leader in the area of peer recovery support services. We have wonderful history with Neil. She was our guest during a visioning meeting in RCNC's early days. It was such a beautiful day in the city (Wednesday, June 15th 2016) that we decided to break tradition and take a walking interview. Enjoy the ambient symphony of birds and cars and Philly folk.



December 21, 2016

Chris interviews our very own Betty Currier, retired teacher, national change agent and current board secretary for RCNC. This has to be the absolute richest podcast we’ve attempted to capture. There is so much history in this interview. We’ve listened to it half a dozen times and keep getting more out of it. It begins with the history of Betty – what it was like for a woman initiating recovery in 1976 – so many old men and only one pathway. Betty had just celebrated 40 years of thriving recovery at the time of this road trip turned interview in January of 2016. Betty “accidentally” found recovery while attempting to find help for her daughter. She ran into the right person at the right time and that seems to be the story of her life.

Betty attended the historic 2001 Recovery Summit in St. Paul Minnesota, where 200 recovery activists from 36 states gathered to begin the creation of a culture of recovery in the United States. Born out of that gathering was the determination that public perception of addiction and recovery needed to change and the best way to do that was through associating a face and a voice to this highly stigmatized issue. Betty witnessed the creation of Faces and Voices of Recovery as a founding board member. She also saw the genesis of Recovery Community Messaging Training, the educational experience that taught us how to leverage our recovery status effectively and proudly. A fantastic point of interest in this episode features a fired up, young filmmaker attending Betty’s messaging training. That star pupil, Greg Williams, went on to bring us The Anonymous People and Generation Found.

As one of the leaders of the New York recovery movement, Betty saw the need for the growing legions of volunteers to be trained to more effectively help folks seeking to initiate or sustain recovery. Betty was there at the beginning of CCAR’s Recovery Coach Academy, engaging in beta training in 2009. She went on to become an RCA trainer, bringing thousands of coaches to realization, then CCAR awarded her master trainer status, so she could create additional trainers in NY.

When Betty moved to NC in 2013, RCA came with her. NC CCAR Recovery Coach Academy now has over 100 coaches trained and Betty has passed the trainer mantle to two of the NC trainers she has helped to nurture. Betty has since been awarded the coveted CART Trainer Elite status.



December 21, 2016

Chris interviews Kristen Harper, then Executive Director of Association of Recovery Schools. Who knew that this podcast interview would lead to a job interview? Kristen has since become our Executive Director and we’re so happy she’s here. We invited her down from Colorado to be a lead panelist for our Generation Found theatrical screening, August 31st 2016. This crucial documentary about recovery high schools in Houston, TX is created by Greg Williams who brought us the pivotal film The Anonymous People. We’re excited to benefit from her leadership and experience as we encourage North Carolinians to mobilize a recovery schools movement.

Kristen and Chris share how their pathways to recovery began in college and how each of them owes their feeling of connectedness, crucial to success in early recovery, to chance encounters with individuals on campus who were open about their recovery status. These fortunate experiences occurred before the advent of collegiate recovery programs, which now ensure that getting connected to communities of recovery on college campuses is no longer left to luck.

Kristen used to be on the Recovery Africa board on which Chris still serves. She recounts how impactful her visits to Ghana have been. We have several interviews related to Recovery Africa in the can for future podcasts, including road trips with Edwin Ahadzie & Dan O’Laughlin. Chris just got back from an epic visit to Ghana, participating in their rally for recovery. RCNC may be sending a very lucky lad to Ghana next year to teach NC CCAR Recovery Coach Academy. We’ll keep you posted.



December 21, 2016

Chris interviews Kevin McCauley, creator of the pivotal video essays Pleasure UnwovenMemo to Self. Kevin is a medical doctor, using his clinical education and lived experience as a person in long-term addiction recovery to create highly accessible works, explaining the neuroscience of addiction. Kevin describes how people and their families have been craving this information, and how knowing it brings greater understanding of addiction and hope for recovery. Chris and Kevin discuss their mutual connection with Bill White and how his research has influenced their work. Kevin gives more background for the films and explains the impact incarceration has had on his spirituality and professional trajectory.

Kevin earns major cool points when he alludes to Star Trek when describing the uniquely helpful superpower folks in addiction recovery already possess. Even extra cool points to Kevin, when he helps us understand Chris Budnick’s superpower wish with an awesome Matrix reference. October 2016.



December 21, 2016

Chris interviews Tom Coderre, SAMHSA Chief of Staff. Tom just got that gig, so we were grateful he could make the time for North Carolina. He came down from DC to speak at our 4th Capital Area Rally for Recovery, September 2015, and gave a tremendous talk on the recovery movement as a civil rights movement.Chris and Tom chat a little about Tom’s path from addiction to national recovery movement leader. Tom also shares a funny story about our own Betty Currier. “Who rounds down!?!” Betty was on the Faces and Voices of Recovery board of directors way back in the day and Tom had just been hired as the national field director. Per custom, Chris asks Tom what his super power would be if he could have one. His choice quickly prompted a discussion about self-care. Chris and Tom are cut from the same cloth.